I’ve never really gotten the reasons why some people like Lolis and Shotas. And neither have I gotten the reason why some people are pedophiles. The reasons are probably too complex and twisted for me to understand, but in this post, I shall rack my brains over reasons why Shotacon is popular.
There are probably two main Shotacon groups. The female, ranging from aged 18 to god-knows-how-old, and the perverse middle aged male pedophiles.Besides the 2, there are still other minorities, but listing all the possible kinds of people who are shotacons would be a pain, or like how they say it in Ooita dialect 「よだきい (yodakii)」, which means 「面倒くさい (mendoukusai)」. See, you’ve learnt some new Japanese today!
I ain’t going to analyse the reasons for the latter group, since it can be easily summed up as twisted fantasies. Why the hell would a grown man want to turn to young boys, or guys who look like young boys? For fuck’s sake, look at grown up women instead.
As for the females, I have actually rewired my brain to think like theirs’ just specially for the purpose of writing this. Feel free to fire away at the points which have been conjured due to a mistake in the rewiring.
1. Shotas are rare
How often do you see a shota, as compared to say…. a bishonen? Even if you compare the number of shotas to lolis, the loli population would overwhelm. Hence, it is an undeniable fact that shotas are quite exotic. So far, I have only seen a couple of shotas in real life, and there was in secondary school. Ever since I graduated, I haven’t seen any. With shotas being exotic, it is no wonder why people have a liking for them. Think of it as the same reason why many handphone lovers outside of Japan want Japanese imported handphones. Wait, I don’t think that was a really good example… But what the heck, let’s just stick with that until someone gives a better one.
2. Females who are shotacons never had younger brothers
I’m not too sure about this, since I don’t have the figures and all to prove this point. However, if you think about it, being in a relationship with a shota would be sort of equivalent to having a young brother whom you can care for. Those females who have younger brothers as siblings would know how much of a pain in the ass they are, similar to those males who have younger sisters. However, those who don’t will continue to lust for one. The grass is always much greener on the other side, or so it appears to be.
3. World Domination
Nah, it’s more like domination in the relationship. Since you are older than you male counterpart, or at least look older, you would probably feel more superior in the relationship. This point would probably apply to the headstrong “hataraki man” type of females. Instead of being pampered, they want to be the one pampering.
Speaking from personal experience, I’ve actually met a female who appears to have shotacon tendencies. It was rather fortunate that it wasn’t too overwhelming.
I shall end this post by catering to the male readers with an unrelated bishoujo picture
That’s all for today’s brief analysis on shotas and why females like them. I hope you’ve learnt a useless thing or two, and even if you have not, at least remember the Japanese dialect phrase. In depth analysis can be further expressed in the comments section.
Prejudiced much?
There have actually been lots of studies that show men generally prefer women of their peak sexual age (aka, after puberty, 15-17). Youth are strong, fit, and lack the bodily degradation that hits when you pass 18.
It may be socially odd, but there are lots of biological reasons for finding young people attractive.
a) XDXD I have a younger brother
b) I like being pampered. Very much.
c) I like lolicon too. n___n;;
d) what’s you’re point?
I wish I had a younger sister…
A younger brother’s a pain…
I saw way too many siblings of opposite gender who were close to each other and I’m way too jealous. HAHAH…
starr > I’m just wondering why some people, in this case, some females, are shotacons. And what’s your point?
samejima > Lolicon != Siscon, aka Imouto Complex. The same goes for shotacon. However, most lolicons are siscons, hence I can roughly say that most shotacons have a flaming desire to get a younger brother.
“I ain’t going to analyse the reasons for the latter group, since it can be easily summed up as twisted fantasies. Why the hell would a grown man want to turn to young boys, or guys who look like young boys? For fuck’s sake, look at grown up women instead.”
This proves your bias and the reason your article has no validity. If you wish to write an article and have people take it seriously then dont write in a way that shows your bias and make yourself look like an idiot bigot.
So what is shotacon and what is it about?
Basically, in my way of thinking, Shota would be not only sexual atration to younger boys, but in some cases is just the apeareance what they’re looking for. In my oun liking I search more for the inocent cute child doing nothing special than the hentai images; if I use your understanding, I’m searching for a kid brother that I want to protect and teach (no, I don’t have younger brothers) but actually that’s it.
I like shota but because of the little ones involved in it. I’m more interested in the perverts that take advantage of them. I’m attracted to middle aged perverted men who are so desperate to get sexual contact (since they can’t get women) that they would do anything or anyone to get it. Watching porn. Masturbating. Even using the bathroom on themselves just to get that warm feeling in their loins. I don’t look at shota that ONLY has little ones in it because that’s not cute to me. But I do like looking at the dirty old man playing with his ding a ling while watching them play on a playground or something. And of course I would NEVER EVER lay hands on someone in real life. Just because I like shota doesn’t mean I’m a pedophile. Little kids do not interest me. It is the pervert that I’m interested in.
Oh I’m a 19 year old female just to put that out there.
“I ain’t going to analyse the reasons for the latter group, since it can be easily summed up as twisted fantasies. Why the hell would a grown man want to turn to young boys, or guys who look like young boys? For fuck’s sake, look at grown up women instead.” ive got an answer for that.. telling a pedophile to stop looking at young boys and start looking at grown women would be exactly like telling you to stop looking at grown women and start looking at young boys.. now jsut because some people tell you to do this would you do it? i dont think so.. rack your brains? yeah right..
what about shotacon?!
Isn’t dirty, because from ancienta times, childs are used sexualy by his owners or sponsors, from Roman Age until today, because they use this for obtain better life conditions, wothout forced labors for don’t affect his bodies until gain social n economical level. Remember than included emperors n popes use them for satisfacion or open buissines for others as islamicals, from that come to us words as hashassins or jenizarus, yep.
Why don’t say nothing about that, n stop critics for a graphic art, eh?!
Wow everything you said was true. XD Your second reason was so right. XD lol
It seems you’ve already been commented on about stereotypes and bias, but I might as well throw my opinion out here.
I’m a 17-year-old girl who’s been looking at shota since she was 13 (maybe younger), and I’ve always looked at it for the same reason you said “middle aged men” do.
So, you can either group me in with the middle aged men or stop using stereotypes.
P.S. I think there’s another motive behind a shotacon wanting to have a little brother, if you know what I mean.
(I’m the chick who just posted)
I decided to play around with your three reasons. After all, you wanted teenage girls to help you with any errors in brain rewiring.
1)Shota ain’t that rare; not irl or picture wise.
I look at shota whenever I feel like it.
2)I may wish for a younger brother, but I am aware of how annoying little boys can be, unlike what you said. Gee, why would a person who finds little boys attractive want one around even when they know about the annoyance factor? It may have something to do with the fact she is attracted to younger boys! (After all, I only longed for a little brother after I became a shotacon. Not the other way around.)
3)Actually, I like being pushed around by little boys. I would prefer to be dominated, but I support mutual relationships overall. Sure, I like to pamper, but wives can do that with older husbands too, can’t they. ;P
Btw, cute pictures! ^_^
I think it’ll be easier for you to figure out why shotacons like shotas by looking at the stereotype of shotas and not the stereotype of shotacons.
Judging by the anime stereotype of shotas, most of them are usually innocent, lovable and fuss-free little boys which largely resemble live stuffed animals. Most females have a soft spot for stuff like these… some motherly instinct I should think. Nonetheless, your points are still more or less correct, though I do feel that the first and second point aren’t quite so accurate. There are a lot of shotas hanging around if people bother to look, and I don’t think the shotacons are really interested in playing sister to their shota. It’s more of the feeling of being needed, which you seldom can get from older partners.
I suppose this could probably be applied to lolicons as well, though in my opinion with lolicons there are a lot more perverse sexual attraction involved.
First a quick background on me, I’m a 19 year old guy who likes shota more then loli and I tend to think of myself as a very friendly person. I have a younger sister and I’ve always gotten along with. Maybe it’s just me but I’ve had little to none sexual experimenting with friends as a kid. Don’t get me wrong I still like hanging out and checking out girls my age but something got messed up along the way. As soon as I can just cuddle a girl my own age I’ll be happy. I just need some lovin thats all.
any questions just ask.
I dont understand nothing ._.
I like shota, but in the real life I like men older than me…
Furthermore… I like yuri and lolicon and i´m not lesbian.
If you see meccha anime, it makes you a robot?
lol
Anime isnt real life.
I completely disagree. I am a 21 year old female with 2 younger brothers and 2 younger sisters who are incredibly annoying. I don’t think the characters depicted in shota manga and anime really resemble real boys, as they aren’t annoying(and any little boy can get on ones nerves after a while, trust me my youngest sibling is 10 and he never stops talking).
The appeal, for me, with shota is that they are so darn cute! I also must admit I like it for the sex as well. My own preference tends towards two young boys experimenting with sex together. I don’t watch rape in any way shape or form, it just doesn’t do it for me. but I am a rapid yaoi fan and I watch yuri. I’m bisexual, so I guess I don’t really care what form my porn watching takes. Shota has a special place because it’s cute. cute porn XD what an oxymoron…
I think for men it could also be a need for motherly affection.
I´m male…
I get absolutely disgusted when looking at loli characters, especially in the hentai milieu. I don´t like to look at the undeveloped bodys of little girls and don´t like how some of the older characters missuse their strength to take advantage of the girls.
With shotacon hentai it´s somehow different…
You often have a loving, caring relationship between the two characters. The girl is often a beautiful, developed woman who opens the world of sex for the shy boy, thus leading him to it in a gentle, caring way. The sexual interaction is far from forced.
this is my personal look at the subject and like already stated one of many causes why people look at shotacon.
Like said. Hentai isn´t the real world.
In real life I don´t even notice younglings.. Far to many beautiful women out there.
i disagree most shotacon fans are younger girls in the teen range. we like it not because we are pedos but because they are cute and it is sometimes softer and more innocent than yaoi. and besides there is more shota anime than loli so there lol
I’m a nineteen year old man who has been looking at shota since the age of twelve. I have no interest in women at all.
Hmm… I’m a guy, and I first started looking at shotacon when i was a teenager; i’m 18 now. I’m straight, for that matter, but it just comes down to what’s attractive and what’s not. There’s just some sort of qualities in a youth that some people find attractive. The Greeks often found this; there’s communities of people who love Yaoi and Shotacon who are straight men and not 50-year olds.
With that said, i RARELY look at Shotacon now a-days. I look at Yaoi or Hentai more.
I know women who are teens that just love shotacon. It’s just something fun to do and look at for them; as to WHY it’s fun it varies. But people enjoy it because it’s cute to them.
Also, no. Men look at it because it’s either arousing or cute. Women look at it because it’s either arousing or cute.
Unless otherwise stated, that’s the MAIN reason. I would be surprised if it’s something about Motherly Instinct or longing for a younger partner. It’s just fun to look at.
i like shota, im 13, sorry i like people my age…
o ya, and im bi, so i like boys and girls, and i like shota and loli, within reason, i just like people my age
I looked at loli ever since I was 13 and now im 15 and I acctually I like it for the wrong reason which I cant control it turns me on. but, whats shotacon.
Mmm….Ignorant article aside, I sure do loves me some pederasty.
Shotacon forever!! XD
i think that’s one of the worst explanations i’ve ever heard. granted, i know that some of the things you said are true of my sister, who loves shota, but i also like it, and although i don’t have a little brother, i am very close to a lot of boys who are younger than me, and i know how annoying they are. also, they aren’t sexually appealing at all, but not because they’re ugly, simply because anime and real life are very different things. you can’t judge the kinds of attractions a person has in real life to what they like to watch in anime. you can never make anything in life as simple as you have made this explanation or you will just end up being horribly wrong.
I’m a girl and I like shota, but not hentai. It’s not like I’m attracted to the shotas in any way. I don’t want one for a pet or, for that matter, a brother. I like it in the same way I like Hello Kitty or some sweet top at the mall. Because it’s cute. In real life, I only like guys my age, give or take a year or two, I’m certainly not a pedo!
I’m sure that there are some girls that like shotacon because they are pedophiles, but trying your reasoning as to why some people are pedophilic quite resembles late 19th century reasoning as to why some people are homosexual. To be certain, pedophilia is a more serious issue than homosexuality, but that does not give this approach validity.
So when girls view/fap to shotacon they really just want a little bro to call their own huh? They don’t like little boy sex, they just want to be motherly! Yeah, that makes perfect sense. -_-
So if a girl wants a little pony, does she go watch beastiality?
Anyway, your predjudice must run pretty deep if you can find a way to rationalize women viewing sexualized/romanticised images of young boys for sexual gratification as being … non sexual(it makes no sense at all!) and at the same time condemn men for doing the exact same.
I know several women who look at shotacon and I’ve seen many others who I don’t know personally. It’s not hard to find them. Lolicon and shotacon is popular across the net. You know why those girls like it? Because it TURNS THEM ON. I’ve heard their fantasies. Deal with it. They aren’t you, you aren’t them.
Btw, did I mention that you’re incorrigibly sexist?
Also, I do not look at shotacon myself. I just don’t like to sit back and do nothing while watching hypocrites like you.
Very prejudice indeed, honestly if you were to open your mind to the concepts and reality of both sides of love and hate for shotocon you would realize how ignorant and prejudice you sound.
Not all who enjoy Shotocon are pedophiles, a pedophile is an adult of engaging in sexual activity with a child, not all who enjoy Shotacon are adults.
so please look at both points before stating an opinion so you don’t offend, therefore no longer looking like a bigoted person.
What’s the big deal? People simply like what they like. Good luck trying to decipher the human psyche, and figure out every individuals sexuality. Im a strait 18 year old guy who likes shota, but finds real boys and men unattractive. It doesn’t make much sense to me but I’m fine with it. Thats just the way I am.
I need advice
I’m in a confusing situation. I like little boys, only younger boys btw, in real life and animated, but not romanticlly, just sexually. Generally I only like boys with small dicks (compared to mine at least). I like girls, but not sexually (in real life and animated. I’m straight, I don’t dress like gay men or sound/feel gay. Anyone else here the same way? I’m 14 and I’m not quite sure where this will get me in life. Can someone give me some advice?
Im 17 and am the exact sam way. I know exactly how u feel. I thnk its perfctly nrml so lng as u dnt go overboard
Thanks Sitbaknanalyz! Good to know I’m not the only one out there who feels/thinks that way
oh wow, you guys are young, i just turned 20, and just recently looked at this shotacon, it’s soo cute!! hahaha, not too fond of the explicit stuff, and i am definintely not attracted to young boys in real life.
First of all I find your article to be bigetous and irrational, everyone is entitled to their opinion but you can’t tell someone why they do/like something, that’s just wrong. Also I am an 18 year old female and yes I am sexually and romantically attracted to young boys from 10 and up in anime and real life, but I do not believe in non-consensual relationships. Also I am not a pedophile because I am not a predator, I only engage in relationships with informed consent. Just so you know I love watching shota and yes I get off to it, I also like loli in real life and anime with the same age restrictions. I am bi and I do not want a little brother or have a motherly issue. These reasons are why I find this article to be ridiculous and ill-founded.
I am 16 year old Nate (not my real name, but call me that).
I am sorta attracted to shotacon. I have been to Japan once and I see the “boom” on shotacon is actually declining in Japan because of laws in Japan about child xxx abuse publications to match the laws in the west. I still see shotacon mangas being published and shotacon digital pictures all across the globe (yay~! Everyone is attracted to Shotacon). Not just shotacon; lolicon and straight shota*** are also involved in this. The world of shota/loli/straight-shota is booming but only in Japan, it is declining.
I look at shotacon magazines such as Mitsui Jun, and Shounen Ai No Bigaku (all in Japanese). These mags are still popular in Japan but I have to be careful when I buy them because of tags/labels on these books that say “mature” or “18+”. I do not believe shotacon is published to exploit children. I think of them as sex manuals and artistic expressions of a child hiding his/her sexual life.
Some Random Facts: (Don’t Read if you don’t want to)
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- 60% of all [shotacon/lolicon/straight] [characters/people] in images, videos, posters (XD), books, etc. are already taken from an existing anime/manga such as Naruto, Detective Conan (Case Closed; but the anime and manga is already labelled as straight shota because Jimmy (Shinchi) and Racheal (Ran) have kissed in several episodes/chapters (no sex though) yet they are both high school students), and many others.
- You people may think the largest child sex industry is somewhere in Thailand, Cambodia, or Vietnam. Wrong Answer. Japan has the largest child sex industry in the world (almost trillion-dollars worth in value) and makes up 1% of their national income, equalling their national defense budget. 90% of the productions there are anime/manga.
- U.N. is currently holding issue with Japan since the late 1990s about productions of these shotacon/lolicon/straight depicting child sexual abuse.
- Earliest form of Shotacon in Japan existed as early as 1500 AD (paintings of Old Samurai x Young Samurai). Lolicon in late 1800s and Straight Shota in the 1900s. Shota/Loli/Straight made their first appearance in the west as early as 1940 and growing exponentially in the 1990s.
Shotacon forever~!!!
***Straight Shota is basically attraction to young boys and girls. Not gay or lesbian kind, but is straight (Boy x Girl).
Wow that article was fucking sexist as hell. I’m a 15 year old guy and just love the shota, But only because it’s cute. In real life i just long for a girl my age to cuddle and properly love and not being disrespectful but almost all kids in real life are not even cute, oh and that bullshit about motherly instinct, give some actual evidence to support it before stating it blindly
Also the way you appear sexist makes your artilce so worthless to read and franticly you are now now wasting my time because as stated you have no validity (spelling?)
THIS IS WHAT REALLY PISSED ME OFF!
“Why the hell would a grown man want to turn to young boys, or guys who look like young boys? For fuck’s sake, look at grown up women instead.”
What the fuck! that is like telling a homosexual to go fuck the most ugly woman ever, goes beyond all fucking reason, And you literally attack the males and praticly give the females no such attacks, to be perfectly fucking honest you are like the many kids out there who have no goddamned clue to as what this all is,
And to finish off. i would love to see your response to this message im going to write for suck a bullshit article
GO GOUGE YOUR FUCKING EYES OUT AND HANG YOURSELF.
lol im not apoligising either, i believe that is for you
hmmm….
by your fucking hater
Nivagely
This is the Federal Bureau of Investigation. All of your IP addresses have been logged.
is the FBI thing for real?
o___O!!
its just his view man, chill people.
he’s just irritated how everyone thinks he’s a shota
(including me +w+)
admit the fact you’re cute, okay? - w - …
its pointless to fight nature - w - …
but that FBI thing, is it REALLY real?!
Ooh! Track me! Track meee!!
I dated 3 girls that loved the idea of sucking on a small, flaccid, underage dick. Made them really wet, too. In fact, those same girls also felt the same way about eating out underage lolis, too!
And they’re all hot, normal girls.
Granted, one of them was eaten out by her mom’s female co-workers when she was 8 years old. She liked loli more than shota.
I also note that they were my best girlfriends ever.
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Funny post above. I’m 13 and like Shota. Is that wrong?
So you have a few theories to why females like shota. Why can’t those theories also apply to men?
People, refer to the post on Jan 6th, 2009 at 7:07 am…….can we say….LOL OWNED?
Also, I went through all these posts, some of them are too funny hahahahahahaha…Im not hatin…we all got our own problems.
Also, where all these teenage girls that like little boys at?? HOLLA!!! (seriously) @_@
(reply to this) keke
As some posters already have pointed out, there is some bias in your reasoning. The bias, I presume, stems from some ‘pure’ heterosexual attitudes. I’m on a wild guess here, but…I rather suspect you’re a heterosexual that rather abhors homosexuality? While shota/loli isn’t per sé the same group as lesbians/homosexuals, I do think your thinking about these matters (aka, the bias) is seeping through.
For instance, EVEN if we were to assume you were right about your reasons for females, I fail to see why none of those reasons could apply to men as well. You speak of two groups; the ‘young until xx-age females’ and ‘dirty old men of 30+’ but those are artificial created groups. For instance, why aren’t 30+ females considered dirty and perverted, then?
Or, more to the point; I doubt those ‘pervy’ men only get interested in shota from 30 onwards. It’s far more likely they are into shota also from ‘18 to god-knows what age’ (and actually, possibly much sooner than 18). Thus, there is not really a reason why you would call those pervs, but not the same-aged women. Which leaves only the distinction based on gender, but such a distinction would rather be sexistic, if there are no other grounds.
Now, maybe your bias still isn’t clear to yourself, so to make it more apparent, I’ll ask you this: do you find men aged 18+ who are into shotacon for the same reasons that you give for females, perverts, or not?
If you answer yes on that, but you think otherwise for females, than you’re basically biased (prejudiced), and not basing your arguments on logical reason(ing).
i actualy like shotacon because it usualy has older woman in it and older woman has been my fetish for ages im 18 male by the way
LMAO at all your bullshit. You say too much crap to take you seriously.
… And by the way, Nivagily, marry me. xD
Lovingly,
a 16-year-old girl laughing her guts out.
im all yours then Kiisu!
this annoys me o much that people think shota and loli should be illegal or something! Thinking s not the same as doing. if people have sexual fantasies of young people, that has no reflection on their ACTUAL sex life. also, its not “child porn”, its a drawing, for god’s sake!
i´m 20 and female and i like shotacon because of one reason: its hot!
Ypu said you only saw 2 shotas in your life? You only have seen 2 little boys in your entire life? It’s impissible! when you where a kid, you never seen a little oby? Shotas ARE little boys.
Hey. If that FBI thing is real come track me down. I’m 18 female, and look at shotacon and yaoi because I find female bodys discusting to the point that I’m going to get a sex change (I’m still going to be atracted to guys). No offence to the other females here. Even though it’s been said by other people, JUST BECAUSE I LIKE SHOTA IN THE ANIME/MANGA WORLD DOESN’T MEEN I LOOK AT SHOTA’S IN REAL LIFE!! I want a guy who will understand what I’m talking about without me having to explain it. Oh BTW for those who don’t know, shota’s are pre-pubesent(before puberty) boys. Oh and Anon “also, its not “child porn”, its a drawing, for god’s sake!” That is SO true!
There’s also us, the young boys, who look at shota because we fantasize about being the shota.
I’m only into the straight kind, really.
Wow, you sure got a lot of flames there. Everyone who’s commenting seems either aggressively telling you you’re full of shit, or says ‘hip hip hooray’ or ‘lol’ in a fairly exasperating way… I didn’t think the article seemed to be particularly bashing Shotacon fangirls in the first place, nor possess any bias (apart from the over-the-hill pedophiles, but who can deny that?), it seemed to simply be an analysis. In fact it was a very interesting analysis to read, I enjoyed it, thank you. I hope you don’t mind that I would like to cite this for a school project.
I definitely agree with your first point 100%. Shotas are exotic, forbidden even. It’s alluring.
Your second point I cross out immediately though. This is because I have a little brother. I’m not saying that isn’t a factor for some, but I don’t think it’s a necessary component to the Shotacon’s psyche either. Believe you me, my little brother is the worst kind you can get (This is not a bias conclusion, he really is the worst, especially when he becomes violent) yet I still like Shotacon. But consider the opposite extreme; perhaps having a little brother you dislike might make you want a likable one, even in the extreme of fantasizing sexual relationships with a Shota.
This isn’t the case with me, I’m compelled to note.
And while I agree on the third a lot, I wish to put in my personal two cents. I don’t necessarily need submission in my shota’s. In fact, I like them with fight. I want them to have just as much assertion as their partner. Perhaps this is a deep-set issue within myself, but hey, it leaves open so many minority categories.
Well, I’ll stop there even though I could go on forever xD
Thanks again for the brilliant read! <3
What about this? I’m a 19-year-old who has been “appreciating” shota since I was young enough to BE a shota. I am *not* a pedophile, and dammit, I’m so tired of saying that! Shota =/= pedophilia! Okay, take a look at an anime character. Could you get an anime character accidentally mixed up with a real person? I don’t mean how they look generally, I mean could you get a specific screenshot from an anime with a character in it confused with a photograph of real person? Yes? What the fuck are you smoking that’s letting you do that?
The bottom line is that real-life little kids are about as sexually appealing to me as having someone on a bad-as-fuck drug trip trying to take off my penis with a hot poker by repeatedly stabbing it until he’s stabbed a line all the way through. Real little kids are disgusting and I absolutely have no qualms about locking up pedophiles and throwing away the key. That IS fucking disgusting. What ISN’T fucking disgusting is shotacon, where no real children are harmed or even affected at all. If you think it’s helping to “urge pedophiles on,” fine. Show me proof that it’s helping to urge them on and I’ll listen. Until then, you’re making totally baseless claims, from which nothing of value can be assured.
PS, I’m not some poor only-child fangirl. I’m a happy only-child fanboy who has brother-like best friends. Analyze that, bitch.
Uh…wow. Hehe
I guess I wouldn’t know much about why women like us. They kind of all scare me but that’s just me. Nothing against you females. I’m shota and have been since like wow…ever. Heck I just turned 19 and bouncers still refuse to let me in clubs because I pass for what looks like a 14 girl. But oh well thank you for loving us anyways lol.